A MYSTERIOUS 18th century man who called himself the Count of Saint Germain provides the jumping off point tonight. Apparently this guy, who was an adventurer, alchemist, and diplomat, whose mysterious origin created a legend around him, has been a guiding light for such prominent occultists as Helena Blavatsky, Aleister Crowley, and Alice Bailey. It’s claimed that Saint Germain has manifested throughout history as the high priest of Atlantis, Plato, the prophet Samuel, Joseph (the father of Jesus), Merlin, Christopher Columbus, and Francis Bacon.
Why do we care? Because New Agers today consider the Count of Saint Germain the “Maha Chohan”, the current leader (or “hierarch”) of the Great White Brotherhood, a group of “ascended masters” that have distributed religious teachings through select humans. The Brotherhood, according to New Agers, includes Jesus.
It’s worth noting that New Agers believe that Saint Germain is the sponsor of the United States, and his recent channeled messages (signed “I AM THAT I AM”, a phrase that should be familiar to anyone who’s read the Bible) focus on the concept of “ascension” to a higher plane of being–and what should be done about those who are standing in the way.
Sadly, New Age concepts like contemplative prayer, which creates an altered state of consciousness and opens one to spirits–not all that different from channeling–are being promoted in evangelical megachurches and on Christian broadcasting networks.
Sharon and Derek will speak at the Supernatural Science and Prophecy Conference October 1 and 2 in Canton, Ohio. Other speakers include Tom Horn, Russ Dizdar, and Jeffrey Radt. For more information, see www.ControlledMinds.com.
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Is Sharon lying when she said in this program that the demonination one belongs to doesn’t matter? I sure hear a lot of Catholic bashing from the both of you, so apparently she is.
We don’t bash Catholics. I used to be one. The Roman Catholic Church, however, teaches many things as God-given truths that have no basis in scripture, such as the Immaculate Conception, the infallibility of the pope, indulgences, and so on.
“The Roman Catholic Church, however, teaches many things as God-given truths that have no basis in scripture, such as the Immaculate Conception, the infallibility of the pope, indulgences, and so on.”
G.K. Chesterton once pointed out that the Reformers always jettisoned those aspects of Catholicism they did not understand, and that may have been folly.
Given Chesterton’s sound advice, it’s probably best not to classify a tradition or aspect of Catholicism as unscriptural just because you don’t understand it.
You have a tendency to attack tradition, which is very dangerous; we a beneficiaries of tradition because it was through tradition that the New Testament was accepted as canonical.
Exactly what I mean. Don’t bash Catholic Sacred Tradition which was established from the Church Fathers, who studied with the Apostles, who established these traditions. These traditions, such as the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, was established long before the New Testamnent was canonized.
Deb,
I come from a Protestant background, but I sympathize with you and understand your frustration. I have collaborated with several Catholics (Michael Corbin, Stephen Hand, and William Kennedy) and I can say, without reservation, that they have a better grasp on the nature of the antichristic movement in the world today. It’s obvious they are being scapegoated (much like the jews were with the Protocols of Zion forgery), and Protestant prejudices are playing right into the hands of manipulators who don’t publicize their existence.
The elites here in America are a predominantly WASP ruling class who are scared to death of Catholics as a potential political force to be reckoned with, so you can expect the slander to escalate. They’ll play us off of one another, even though we share the core precepts and non-negotiables of Christianity that were established by Jesus Christ and the Apostles.
I am happy with my current Church home and I don’t believe I’ll be changing denominations any time soon. That being said, I won’t go as far as religious bigots who claim that Catholics are not Christian. It should be noted that Ignatius of Antioch referred to the Church as Catholic before the New Testament came together. So we both share a spiritual heritage that goes back to Jesus Christ and the Apostles.
Most people won’t say that and don’t believe that because, simply put, they don’t know the history behind the formation of their own canon. Pure and simple.
Finally, for 1700 years, the Catholic Church was the only Christian church there was. All the other groups claiming to preserve the Apostolic faith during the medieval period, upon closer examination, were heresies, mainly of the gnostic variety. What does that means? If the Catholic church is not Christian, then Jesus was not correct when he said the gates of hell would not prevail against His church.
Oh well, I guess pseudo-researchers like Charles Wilcox and Eric Jon Phelps will be calling me a Jesuit spy, or whatever, now.
Deb, I’d sympathize with you if we actually bashed Catholics. As Paul notes, there are “researchers” who ascribe all the world’s evil to the Jesuits, the Pope, or both, and/or categorize Roman Catholicism as a cult. We are not in any way, shape, or form among that group.
Paul, I completely agree with your opinion of Stephen Hand, Bill Kennedy, and Michael Corbin. But please don’t assume that my criticism of Roman Catholicism is rooted in misunderstanding. I was married to a Roman Catholic for ten years and was myself a Roman Catholic for a number of those years.
That doesn’t mean I’m an expert in the catechism, but I’m familiar enough with it and with scripture to know that the pope is not infallible, we do not pray to saints, Mary was born with original sin like the rest of us, and she is not the Mediatrix of all graces.
Over the last five years, we’ve been just as critical of so-called New Apostles, Word/Faith teachers, and the Emergent Church, if not more so. We have no bias against the church of Rome.
Roman Catholics don’t pray to saints either. We pray to God. We request the saints to help us with our prayers, just like we request prayers of other Christians in this world. We ask the saints to pray to God with our requests, just like other Christians do in this world. You are sadly misinformed if you think Catholics “pray to the saints” like we do God. Do some basic, simple research. If you put as much effort into researching Catholicism as you do other “conspiracy” subjects, you wouldn’t be so misinformed.
That’s a fine distinction. A prayer for Mary’s intercession is still addressed to Mary, and it still has no scriptural basis. Asking the dead for help is completely different from asking the living.
My point stands: I’m sorry you take offense but we have no bias against the Church.
Okay, we can wrap up this discussion with an agreement to disagree. But please don’t use your former Catholic background to justify your disbelief. I was raised a Catholic (nominally), then went to a fundamentalist church that regularly bashed all demoninations, including Catholics. I”m back home again with the Catholic church and realize how many misunderstandings Protestants have about the Catholic church,for which the Church is also at fault for not properly teaching and educating its own members about all of its practices. Please check out catholic.com for radio programs explaining and justifying Catholic practices. And by the way, we don’t believe the saints are “dead”. We believe they are alive with Christ in heaven, and thus able to pray for us. They are an extension of Christ’s body. So please don’t say we pray to the “dead”.
My years as a Roman Catholic left me with a passing knowledge of the Catechism and memories of warm relationships with wonderful people with whom I served while our daughter attended the Parish School of Religion. My decision to leave had nothing to do with the people, the priests I knew, or a misunderstanding of the practices of the Church.
Any criticism of the RCC is directed at those teachings — like those of the self-appointed, self-anointed charismatic new “Apostles” — that have no basis in the traditions handed down from the apostles in Jerusalem and recorded in the pages of the New Testament. The Roman Catholic Church is not a special target for me or Sharon.
For the record, Sharon’s statement around the 44:00 mark about which you claimed she lied was taken out of context. Her comment referred to the story the caller was telling of her trouble as a teen getting help at a Methodist church with loneliness and anger at God after her mother’s death. Sharon’s point was that this was not due to a doctrine unique to the UMC.